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[Mom Kelly's a Muslim]

                    The thing with Islam is that every thing has a reason or explanation for why Islam does things.

Thats the beauty of islam.

we all have questions, but its a step to see the true light and why certain things are asked for in Islam.

BUT we must remind ourselves certain things are pnly asked for or acceptable in certain situations, often people say things like oh a women must have men let her marry blah blah blah.

But really iwhat we are supposed to have is a "Wali" who as a Man can judge another man on our behalf and look through clear eyes to see if the person is a good man.

Thats good, it can be abused BUT the islamic ideal is good.


ALSO REMEBER ISLAM IS ETERNAL, ask youself do you accept islam when it says punishments for criems must be harsh, then ask yourself why, All islam is saying is that criminals must eb PUT OFF from commiting crimes to protect society..

You may think that living in a strable society means that the punishment should be less, BUt what if you lived inina degraded society, twhere rape and ,mmurder are common, ISLAM IS ETERNAL so regardless of the human situation islams guidence is there and thus humans always know the difference between right and wrong.

Islam is difficult to understand at times, this is why we MUST research the only way to truley understand the will of God.                    

[Ameeraana]

                    as-salaam aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,


I used to think just like you blue_flower so I totally understand!!    

  I've studied Islam for a long time before being able to let my guard down and finally excepting it as the truth.  

   I am a very independant woman too and used to think of Islam as restricting women way too much.  My friends all used to say I would never marry because I am too independant for any man, but now respect all the protection Islam gives to women.  I can't even believe that I am wanting to be a housewife!!  Neither can my friends.  It has been a huge change for me but I know it is for the best.

    Ameera                    

[loveforthesakeofallah]

                    Assalmu Alaikum sister,

some of u may not want to revert to Islam because u feel u are betraying Jesus? Well sisters how true is the Bible, the bible claims these false claims rite? now please im not offending u here, just trying to explain to u and inshallah u'll understand. I have many christian friends who told me that the Bible was authored 40 times all by different ppl. A book that was authored first originally by Allah, then was later changed by the priests acording to their wishes. Wat happened is that because Jesus was born as a miracle without a father the ppl who loved him, loved him toooo much unlimitedly and so they exaggerated his position making him the son of God. The same with the image of God as a man, why would God look like his own creation, we are his slaves and can only worship him. Sister there are many evidences that the Quran is the only true words of Allah existing on Earth now, u can go to this site and it'll help u www.islam-brief-guide.org. When we know that the Quran was not authored by a human and by God then we should be ready to believe every word of it. So when the Quran says Jesus was only a messenger sent to guide the ppl in worshipping only Allah, why is it not believed? And Jesus was not killed, he was raised up in Heaven and another man was put in his place, that man was killed and believed to be Jesus. Jesus is still alive in Heaven and he will come down to Earth and reject the false claim that he is son of God, he will also lead the Muslims to victory by killing the anti-christ. THen he will die, and his coming down to Earth is one of the major signs of Day of Judgement. Allah (swt) is just, he will not burden any one else for the sins of another person, so how can he burden Jesus with the sins of ALl HUMANITY??? Doesn't this make u think its unfair? Each one of us is accountable of only wat we do, not wat someone else does. I hope this helped u. And as for not stoning to death for a Heinous crime as adultry, sister u must understand first, that when a man has a wife then how can he please himself with another woman, disrespecting and degrading himself in front of his wife. And if the man is not married and commits adultry that is also a very heinous crime because he is taking away a womans virginity and not giving her any status or respct but the symbol of "sex". A woman is a human being, she is a mother, a daughter, a sister, and most respectably a wife. Therefor she cannot be enslaved by the mans desires and be taken as a sex symbol. And what kind of corruption exists in the Western societies is UNBELIEVABLE and heartbraking, there are alarming rates of broken families, orphaned children, abortions, rapes, murders, what is causing all this?? Isn't alcohol, adultry, and so on causing all this. It is like living in Hell in a society that encourages such things, theres noo rest of peace of mind, and theres soo much hate boiling between husbands and wives. Islam is peace and to bring peace these are its laws set by Allah, the punishments of violating these laws have to be severe so no one goes near such crimes. When God is all knowing and All Wise, he knows what is best for us and wants wat is best for us so we should obey him at all times? Obviously there is a wisdom behind such "harsh" penalties.                    

[blue_flower]

                    Good evening everyone,

I'm really sorry, but I sincerely regret to have listed the points I was disagreeing with in Islam, because this is an Islamic website, so as a non Muslim guest, I should have kept my opinion for me since it's different from the majority here.

I've not looked forward to convincing anyone here (it would be totally unappropriate and disrespectful), nor have I wanted to prove that Christianity was right. Thinking that Jesus has been crucified or that someone else took his place for instance is a matter of belief and faithas well as thinking that polygamy or stoning are right and justified. Before being interested in Islam, I already wasn't agreeing with several points of the religion I've been given and I decided that it wasn't worth converting since I knew that there were things I would never ever be able to accept in Islam. For me, being against polygamy or death penalty, for instance, has nothing to do with religion, it is purely a question of personal conviction. I can be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist... I know that I'll always think like that.

Once again, I feel a lot of respect towards people who believe, no matter if I agree with their faith. I will always respect Islam, as well as other religions.

Regards,

Blue_flower                    

[khadi1]

                    assalamou aleikoum sisters,

i had to smile when i read some answers.......
For those who know me well, they know how for eighteen years, I ran away from Islam.... I had all the excuses in the world...and I was a defender of women rights and freedom.... I obviously did not run fast enough,    as here I am today, defending Islam the best I can until I die, full hijabi, a muslim wife and a muslim mother ...
I consider myself one of the lucky ones that I converted, because i was told once that you do not choose Islam but Islam choose you... and that Allah has already written the people of Hell, and that the people of Hell are the disbelievers (who die in a state of disbelief)....
Some people are really deeply against Islam but, at the dawn of Islam, how many Makkhans pagans were ennemies of Islam??? Remember the story of Hind ???? well, didn't she become a muslim after the conquest of Makkah????
so, Ladies, Never say never....it does not matter what you think now... If it is written that Allah has chosen you for a muslim, you can run but you'll never be able to hide...                    

[blue_flower]

                    Dear Khadi1,

I can't swear that I never say never, but at least I barely say it. Therefore, I can't say that I'll never convert to Islam, and I don't consider myself as one of its ennemies, except if being simply a non Muslim woman is being an ennemy of Islam by itself.

From what I know about me and values in which I believe really hard, I am convinced that I won't ever be able to accept to be treated differently because I'm a woman, because I'm French, because I'm 35, because I'm single... or whatever reason. Until now, I've always thought that all human beings on this earth were equal, even when I was a young kid. This is why I really doubt that this can change.

Regards,

Blue_flower                    

[Um_Malik]

                    

I'm really sorry, but I sincerely regret to have listed the points I was disagreeing with in Islam, because this is an Islamic website, so as a non Muslim guest, I should have kept my opinion for me since it's different from the majority here.

Hi there,
Blue_flower this forum is open to discussion and does not forbid anyone from listing their opinions whether for or against our beliefs. But being a brave thinker and searcher for truth includes being able to accept the other side's explanations, arguments, and proofs. We know you are not aiming to convince us or make us believe what you believe, but we will continue to reply to your and others' views from an islamic perspective which you may or may not agree with. We will always respect what you have to say and openly listen to your opinions in here.

Just because I do not agree with something or do not believe in something does not make it bad. You may not think polygamy is good, and traditional or parent-approved marriages may not fall into your beliefs. As an alternative you may or may not think dating and getting to know men on your own in order to decide who is a good husband is a good option. That certainly does not give polygamy a bad value or dating a good value. It simply classifies them according to you and only you.

Things are relative and in islam we need to understand things within the right perspective. Polygamy isn't for everyone and every case, it is in some cases a very good option and in others not an option at all. For example, Allah clarified in the Quran that if a man cannot be fair and just and treat his wives exactly equally then he shouldn't adopt polygamy. In some cases, polygamy solves big problems, like when a woman's husband passes away leaving behind children in need of support and family life. Or when some women get old without getting married because of an illness or so then they need a supporter. In war, many men die and there polygamy has proven as a social solution as well. Islam did not come to suite the likings of one person or another. Islam came as a religion, individual life-style, as well as social system that solves big and small problems in society. I think you already appreciate that fact and that is why you show respect to islam even though it is not your religion.                    

[Um_Malik]

                    Dear Clausa and Kasey:
http://www.islam-guide.com/more-informatio...islam.htm#Jesus

>> Jesus PBUH is a messenger sent from God with a sacred message he got as revelation from God. In islam though, none of the messengers from Adam to Moses,Jesus and finally Mohammad are gods themselves or sons of God. We equally love them all and believe in them all as great prophets who got revelation and miracles from God.
>> We believe Jesus' revealed message of Christianity is in the heavenly book the Bible. However, the teachings of Jesus PBUH and the Bible have been changed a lot. Thus not everything in the Bible today was indeed said by Jesus PBUH or taught by him.

Is Jesus the son of God?
In islam, we believe that there is only One God who has no sons and no partners. We believe that this was the belief of all prophets including Jesus PBUH. People changed his teachings afterwards and introduced such false beliefs. And to question logically we ask a series of questions:

- Christians believe in Abraham, Zakariya, Isaac and other prophets of the sons of Israel as great men who called people to worship God. Did they call people to worship God or God and his son? God alone; no son was mentioned by them. Why not? four possibilites: either God told them he has a son and they lied to people or hid that fact from them (of course thats not sensible since they were great honorable men chosen by God.. so they couldn't be liars or fabricators). the second: God did not tell Abraham and the others that He had a son. He kept his son a secret until the behavior of people changed and the times called for this son to be revealed. If so, can you guarantee God does not have other sons or daughters? If you say yes, I will tell you that maybe they are a secret until the times require that they are revealed! If God kept His son secret from GREAT men like Abraham and Isaac, He wouldn't keep anything from current less-deserving ordinary priests? And if you say no I cannt guarantee if God has other sons or daughters, then how are you different than polyathiest nations like Greece and others! The third possibility is that the son of God was born after the time of Abraham and the others; which is immediately refused by Christians since they say the son and God have been there together since the beginning of time. The last and rational possibility we muslims believe is that God never and never will have a son. He is One with no son or partner and he sent great prophets like Abraham and all the others including Jesus the great prophet (but also human and not God like the others) PBUH. Those prophets all called people to good and to worshiping the One and only God. People after Jesus PBUH wrongly gave him a Godly status.

If some Christians believe Jesus PBUH is God or the son of God because he doesn't have a father, then by that logic Adam PBUH is more deserving to be a god too! Because he didn’t have a father or a mother?! Being born without a father is a miracle from God given to Jesus and Adam both PBU them and not a quality that makes them sons of God.

- In Islam we have 3 Jesus-life-death beliefs.
1) Jesus PBUH had miracles given to him as signs of prophethood from God (healing the sick, talking as a child, being born without a father are some of the miracles). One of those miracles is being able to raise people alive after they die. It is again a miracle to prove his prophethood granted to him by God.
2) Jesus PBUH was put on the cross. Christians believe he died for their sins. Muslims do not believe that because we believe everyone is responsible for their own deeds and will be judged on them on the day of judgment. Not even our messengers will take our sins on their behalf. If we are forgiven because Jesus PBUH died, then what is the sense of worshiping God and doing good deeds in our life if we will not be asked or judged and we will be forgiven and enter Paradise regardless of our sins? In the Quran, God tells us that the sons of Israel thought they killed Jesus PBUH on the cross. God didn’t allow for that honorable prophet to be killed in that manner. Jesus PBUH was saved by God Almighty and in simple terms God placed a duplicate or image of Jesus PBUH in his place. Jesus PBUH thus did not die in the first place and certainly did not raise from the dead in that incident.
“That they said (in boast), "We killed Al-Masih 'Isa the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah"; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them.” (Nisaa 157..)

3) Jesus PBUH will return to this life before the day of Judgment and lead the believers and kill the anti-Masiah or as we call him “Maseeh Dajjal” (a person who will have great powers and call people to disbelieving in God and worshiping him as God). You may wonder why in Islam wasn’t our great prophet Mohammad PBUH chosen for that great honorable mission? And why isn’t he the one who will return to life? Again this is the choice of God to honor the prophet Jesus PBUH with this mission so that he is in a unique high status for Muslims, and so that Christians realize that Islam honors their prophe