Assalamalikum sisters,
as the islamic rulings section is down I wanted to ask this and thought this was an apporpriate 'other' place as I know many new sisters who have been asked the same question.
So I was out with a friend yesterday who asked my why I couldnt eat pork.. so I explained what I knew which I thought would sufice, apparently not. They went on to say that they had worked in a farm and pigs werent these dirty creatures I thought they were.
Apart from the obvious reason that allah (swt) told us to stay away from them, what was the reasoning??
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Posted 16 April 2004 - 10:48 AM
Assalamu Alaikum
I used to work in the food hygiene industry and upon conducting experiments in the lab on a variety of food produce, in order to assertain the growth of bacteria. You would not believe the amount of bacteria carried in Pork meat that is potentially deadly to humans :shock: in the form of food poisoning. Needless to say I declined to eat Pork from that day on...
Anyway cats are clean animals but it does not mean I want to eat one
Actually it should be noted that in the bible it also states "Thou shall not eat the flesh of Swine" but many Christians ignore this :roll:
I have found this Fatwa which explains the pork issue very well both from an Islamic and health persective :wink:
The fatwa
Question :
Why does Islam forbid pork, when the pig is one of the creations of God?.
Answer :
Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly:
Our Lord has forbidden eating pork in definitive terms. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Say (O Muhammad): I find not in that which has been revealed to me anything forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be Maytah (a dead animal) or blood poured forth (by slaughtering or the like), or the flesh of swine (pork); for that surely, is impure or impious (unlawful) meat (of an animal) which is slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allaah (or has been slaughtered for idols, or on which Allaah’s Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering)”
[al-An’aam 6:145]
By the mercy of Allaah and His kindness towards us, Allaah has permitted us to eat all good things, and He has not forbidden anything but those that are impure. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“…he allows them as lawful At‑Tayyibaat (i.e. all good and lawful as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons and foods), and prohibits them as unlawful Al‑Khabaa’ith (i.e. all evil and unlawful as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons and foods)”
[al-A’raaf 7:157]
We do not doubt for an instant that the pig is a dirty and filthy animal, and that eating it is harmful to man. Moreover it lives on dirt and filth, and it is something that is off-putting to those of a sound nature who refuse to touch it, because eating it is either a cause or a sign of a person’s oddness.
Secondly:
With regard to the physical harm caused by eating pork, modern science has proved a number of things, such as the following:
ý Pork is regarded as one of the kinds of meat that contain the most cholesterol, an increase of which in the bloodstream leads to an increased likelihood of blocked arteries. The fatty acids in pork are also of an unusual formation, when compared with the fatty acids in other types of food, which makes them more easily absorbed by the body, thus increasing cholesterol levels.
ý Pork meat and pork fat contribute to the spread of cancers of the colon, rectum, prostate and blood.
ý Pork meat and pork fat contribute to obesity and related diseases that are difficult to treat.
ý Eating pork leads to scabies, allergies and stomach ulcers.
ý Eating pork causes lung infections which result from tapeworms, lungworms and microbial infections of the lungs.
The most serious danger of eating pork is that pork contains tapeworms which may grow to a length of 2-3 meters, the growth of which in the body may lead to paralysis and skin rashes.
The doctors have confirmed that tapeworm disease is regarded as one of the serious diseases that may result from eating pork. It may develop in the small intestine and after several months may grow into a large worm whose body is composed of a thousand segments, with a length of 4-10 meters, which lives alone in the intestine of the infected person and part of it may appear when he defecates. When the pig swallows and ingests its eggs, they enter the tissues and muscles in the form of larvae sacs containing fluid and the head of the tapeworm. When a person eats infected pork, the larva turns into a complete worm in the intestine. These worms cause weakness and vitamin B12 deficiency, which leads to a specific type of anaemia, which may in turn cause nervous problems. In some cases the larvae may reach the brain, causing convulsions, increased pressure within the brain, epilepsy and even paralysis.
Eating pork that is not thoroughly cooked may also lead to trichinosis (infestation with a hairlike nematode worm). When these parasites reach the small intestine, three to five days later many larvae appear which enter the intestine and reach the blood, from which they reach most of the tissues of the body. The larvae move to the muscles and form cysts there, and the patient suffers intense muscle pains. The disease may develop into infection of the cerebral membrane and brain, and infections of the heart muscle, lungs, kidneys and nerves. It may be a fatal disease in rare cases.
It is well known that there are some diseases that are unique to humans and are nor shared with any other animals except pigs, such as rheumatism and joint pain. Allaah indeed spoke the truth when He said (interpretation of the meaning):
“He has forbidden you only the Maytah (dead animals), and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that which is slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allaah (or has been slaughtered for idols, on which Allaah’s Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering). But if one is forced by necessity without willful disobedience nor transgressing due limits, then there is no sin on him. Truly, Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”
[al-Baqarah 2:173]
These are some of the harmful effects of eating pork. Perhaps after studying them you will not have any doubts that it is forbidden. We hope that this will be the first step in your being guided towards the true religion. So stop, research, look and think, objectively and fairly, seeking only to find out the truth and follow it. I ask Allaah to guide you to that which is best for you in this world and in the Hereafter.
But even if we did not know about the harmful effects of eating pork, this would not change our belief that it is haraam in the slightest, or weaken our resolve to abstain from it. You know that when Adam (peace be upon him) was expelled from the Garden, it was because he ate from the tree from which Allaah forbade him to eat. We do not know anything about that tree, and Adam did not need to enquire into the reason why it was forbidden to eat from it. Rather it was sufficient for him, as it is sufficient for us and for every believer, to know that Allaah has forbidden it.
Look at some of the harmful effects of eating pork; look at the research of the Fourth Annual Conference of Islamic Medicine, Kuwait edition, p. 731 ff; and al-Wiqaayah al-Sihhiyyah fi Daw’ al-Kitaab wa’l-Sunnah by Lu’lu’ah bint Saalih, p. 635 ff.
But we ask you once again: Isn’t pork forbidden in the Old Testament which forms part of your Holy Book?
“Do not eat any detestable thing. These are the animals you may eat… The pig is also unclean; although it has a split hoof, it does not chew the cud, you are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses.”
(Deuteronomy 14:3-8)
See also Leviticus 11-1-8.
We do not need to quote evidence that pork is forbidden for the Jews. If you have any doubt then ask people and they will tell you. But what we think we need to draw you attention to is some other things that are also mentioned in your Holy Book, this time in the New Testament which tells you that the rulings of the Torah still apply to you and cannot be changed. Does’t it say in the Bible that the Messiah said:
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”
Matthew 5:17-18?
With this text, we do not need to look for another ruling on pork in the New Testament, but we will add here another quotation which shows definitively that pork is impure:
“A large herd of pigs was feeding on the nearby hillside. The demons begged Jesus: ‘Send us among the pigs; allow us to go into them.’ He gave them permission, and the evil spirits came out and went into the pigs.”
Mark 5:11-13
Perhaps you will say that this is abrogated, and that Peter said such and such and Paul said such and such…?
This is changing the words of Allaah and abrogating the Torah and the words of the Messiah who confirmed to you that it would abide as long as heaven and earth remain. Can this be abrogated by the words of Paul or Peter?
Let us assume that this is true and that the prohibition was indeed abrogated, but why are you criticizing this prohibition in Islam when it was prohibited for you at first?
Thirdly:
With regard to your saying that if eating it is forbidden, then why did Allaah create pigs? We do not think that you are serious, otherwise we would ask you: why did Allaah create such and such of other things that are harmful or repulsive? Rather we would ask you: why did Allaah create the Shaytaan? Is it not the prerogative of the Creator to command His slaves as He will, and to rule them as He will. No one can overturn His ruling or change His words.
Is it not the duty of the created being, the slave, to say to his Lord, whenever He commands him to do something: “We hear and we obey”?
You may enjoy its taste and want to eat it, and those around you may enjoy it, but doesn’t Paradise deserve some sacrifice on your part of that which your heart desires?.
Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com)
InshaAllah this helps a little :wink:
Allah hafiz
Sarah
I used to work in the food hygiene industry and upon conducting experiments in the lab on a variety of food produce, in order to assertain the growth of bacteria. You would not believe the amount of bacteria carried in Pork meat that is potentially deadly to humans :shock: in the form of food poisoning. Needless to say I declined to eat Pork from that day on...
Anyway cats are clean animals but it does not mean I want to eat one
Actually it should be noted that in the bible it also states "Thou shall not eat the flesh of Swine" but many Christians ignore this :roll:
I have found this Fatwa which explains the pork issue very well both from an Islamic and health persective :wink:
The fatwa
Question :
Why does Islam forbid pork, when the pig is one of the creations of God?.
Answer :
Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly:
Our Lord has forbidden eating pork in definitive terms. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Say (O Muhammad): I find not in that which has been revealed to me anything forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be Maytah (a dead animal) or blood poured forth (by slaughtering or the like), or the flesh of swine (pork); for that surely, is impure or impious (unlawful) meat (of an animal) which is slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allaah (or has been slaughtered for idols, or on which Allaah’s Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering)”
[al-An’aam 6:145]
By the mercy of Allaah and His kindness towards us, Allaah has permitted us to eat all good things, and He has not forbidden anything but those that are impure. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“…he allows them as lawful At‑Tayyibaat (i.e. all good and lawful as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons and foods), and prohibits them as unlawful Al‑Khabaa’ith (i.e. all evil and unlawful as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons and foods)”
[al-A’raaf 7:157]
We do not doubt for an instant that the pig is a dirty and filthy animal, and that eating it is harmful to man. Moreover it lives on dirt and filth, and it is something that is off-putting to those of a sound nature who refuse to touch it, because eating it is either a cause or a sign of a person’s oddness.
Secondly:
With regard to the physical harm caused by eating pork, modern science has proved a number of things, such as the following:
ý Pork is regarded as one of the kinds of meat that contain the most cholesterol, an increase of which in the bloodstream leads to an increased likelihood of blocked arteries. The fatty acids in pork are also of an unusual formation, when compared with the fatty acids in other types of food, which makes them more easily absorbed by the body, thus increasing cholesterol levels.
ý Pork meat and pork fat contribute to the spread of cancers of the colon, rectum, prostate and blood.
ý Pork meat and pork fat contribute to obesity and related diseases that are difficult to treat.
ý Eating pork leads to scabies, allergies and stomach ulcers.
ý Eating pork causes lung infections which result from tapeworms, lungworms and microbial infections of the lungs.
The most serious danger of eating pork is that pork contains tapeworms which may grow to a length of 2-3 meters, the growth of which in the body may lead to paralysis and skin rashes.
The doctors have confirmed that tapeworm disease is regarded as one of the serious diseases that may result from eating pork. It may develop in the small intestine and after several months may grow into a large worm whose body is composed of a thousand segments, with a length of 4-10 meters, which lives alone in the intestine of the infected person and part of it may appear when he defecates. When the pig swallows and ingests its eggs, they enter the tissues and muscles in the form of larvae sacs containing fluid and the head of the tapeworm. When a person eats infected pork, the larva turns into a complete worm in the intestine. These worms cause weakness and vitamin B12 deficiency, which leads to a specific type of anaemia, which may in turn cause nervous problems. In some cases the larvae may reach the brain, causing convulsions, increased pressure within the brain, epilepsy and even paralysis.
Eating pork that is not thoroughly cooked may also lead to trichinosis (infestation with a hairlike nematode worm). When these parasites reach the small intestine, three to five days later many larvae appear which enter the intestine and reach the blood, from which they reach most of the tissues of the body. The larvae move to the muscles and form cysts there, and the patient suffers intense muscle pains. The disease may develop into infection of the cerebral membrane and brain, and infections of the heart muscle, lungs, kidneys and nerves. It may be a fatal disease in rare cases.
It is well known that there are some diseases that are unique to humans and are nor shared with any other animals except pigs, such as rheumatism and joint pain. Allaah indeed spoke the truth when He said (interpretation of the meaning):
“He has forbidden you only the Maytah (dead animals), and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that which is slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allaah (or has been slaughtered for idols, on which Allaah’s Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering). But if one is forced by necessity without willful disobedience nor transgressing due limits, then there is no sin on him. Truly, Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”
[al-Baqarah 2:173]
These are some of the harmful effects of eating pork. Perhaps after studying them you will not have any doubts that it is forbidden. We hope that this will be the first step in your being guided towards the true religion. So stop, research, look and think, objectively and fairly, seeking only to find out the truth and follow it. I ask Allaah to guide you to that which is best for you in this world and in the Hereafter.
But even if we did not know about the harmful effects of eating pork, this would not change our belief that it is haraam in the slightest, or weaken our resolve to abstain from it. You know that when Adam (peace be upon him) was expelled from the Garden, it was because he ate from the tree from which Allaah forbade him to eat. We do not know anything about that tree, and Adam did not need to enquire into the reason why it was forbidden to eat from it. Rather it was sufficient for him, as it is sufficient for us and for every believer, to know that Allaah has forbidden it.
Look at some of the harmful effects of eating pork; look at the research of the Fourth Annual Conference of Islamic Medicine, Kuwait edition, p. 731 ff; and al-Wiqaayah al-Sihhiyyah fi Daw’ al-Kitaab wa’l-Sunnah by Lu’lu’ah bint Saalih, p. 635 ff.
But we ask you once again: Isn’t pork forbidden in the Old Testament which forms part of your Holy Book?
“Do not eat any detestable thing. These are the animals you may eat… The pig is also unclean; although it has a split hoof, it does not chew the cud, you are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses.”
(Deuteronomy 14:3-8)
See also Leviticus 11-1-8.
We do not need to quote evidence that pork is forbidden for the Jews. If you have any doubt then ask people and they will tell you. But what we think we need to draw you attention to is some other things that are also mentioned in your Holy Book, this time in the New Testament which tells you that the rulings of the Torah still apply to you and cannot be changed. Does’t it say in the Bible that the Messiah said:
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”
Matthew 5:17-18?
With this text, we do not need to look for another ruling on pork in the New Testament, but we will add here another quotation which shows definitively that pork is impure:
“A large herd of pigs was feeding on the nearby hillside. The demons begged Jesus: ‘Send us among the pigs; allow us to go into them.’ He gave them permission, and the evil spirits came out and went into the pigs.”
Mark 5:11-13
Perhaps you will say that this is abrogated, and that Peter said such and such and Paul said such and such…?
This is changing the words of Allaah and abrogating the Torah and the words of the Messiah who confirmed to you that it would abide as long as heaven and earth remain. Can this be abrogated by the words of Paul or Peter?
Let us assume that this is true and that the prohibition was indeed abrogated, but why are you criticizing this prohibition in Islam when it was prohibited for you at first?
Thirdly:
With regard to your saying that if eating it is forbidden, then why did Allaah create pigs? We do not think that you are serious, otherwise we would ask you: why did Allaah create such and such of other things that are harmful or repulsive? Rather we would ask you: why did Allaah create the Shaytaan? Is it not the prerogative of the Creator to command His slaves as He will, and to rule them as He will. No one can overturn His ruling or change His words.
Is it not the duty of the created being, the slave, to say to his Lord, whenever He commands him to do something: “We hear and we obey”?
You may enjoy its taste and want to eat it, and those around you may enjoy it, but doesn’t Paradise deserve some sacrifice on your part of that which your heart desires?.
Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com)
InshaAllah this helps a little :wink:
Allah hafiz
Sarah
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Posted 16 April 2004 - 10:54 AM
Jazakallah sis, I print this off inshallah. The person i mentioned is Catholic, and I cant believe I forgot to mention the fact that they arent supposed to eat it either. How stupid :!:
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Posted 16 April 2004 - 05:10 PM
You shoudl aslso be aware, when someone asks a question, a muslim can reply partly that it is the will of Allah swt and he is the creator and all knoer
Sister you should also be aware, that when human mean is burned it supposedly smells and tastes like pig meat.
Pigs are one of the few if only animals who's organs can be transplanet into humans, like pig hearts
I could go on, but Allah swt has SPECIFICALLY asked us not to eat pig meat, and as time goes on personally knowing that human meat is very similar to pig meat and pig hearts can be transplaneted into humans [this is what i saw on a programme so i cant get verification, but if you type into Google Pig hearts or into human transplant or somehting im sure you will get something
But as this informaiton comes out it just makes me thing God has forbidden the meat of pigs for a reason and we should not break that rule [not that you are
]
Also a pig is omnivoruous and generally spekaing muslims should only eat meat from herbivores like cattle, sheep, when it comes to land animals, THINGS THAT DONT EAT MEAT
Sister you should also be aware, that when human mean is burned it supposedly smells and tastes like pig meat.
Pigs are one of the few if only animals who's organs can be transplanet into humans, like pig hearts
I could go on, but Allah swt has SPECIFICALLY asked us not to eat pig meat, and as time goes on personally knowing that human meat is very similar to pig meat and pig hearts can be transplaneted into humans [this is what i saw on a programme so i cant get verification, but if you type into Google Pig hearts or into human transplant or somehting im sure you will get something
But as this informaiton comes out it just makes me thing God has forbidden the meat of pigs for a reason and we should not break that rule [not that you are
]
Also a pig is omnivoruous and generally spekaing muslims should only eat meat from herbivores like cattle, sheep, when it comes to land animals, THINGS THAT DONT EAT MEAT
#5
Posted 18 April 2004 - 03:45 PM
I read pork threads to remind me not to eat it now that I've converted. But I get sick reading them, especially thinking that well, I wasn't born a Muslim unfortunately:(
I have thought about pork for quite some time though. I myself do not believe that any animal is really clean. I grew up on a farm and you talk about the way pigs live? Cows (not most of the time) will sleep in their own feces. (putting it midly of course:) I remember helping to get them in to help my dad milk the cows and seeing the ones that are laying down in teir own feces (as opposed to the fresh straw laid out...although they will take a dump in there as well and that is why the farmer has to always change it) and thinking how disgusting they lived. So technically no animal is really clean. I have off and on become a vegetarian for this reason. I'm thinking about going all the way vegetarian again after reading this thread:)
Humans smell like pigs when cooked? Pig organs can be transplanted into humans but others cannot? That's odd. Makes me wonder if biologically pigs and humans may be similiar in certain things and if they come into contact with each other they reject each other biologically, thus causing harm to humans. (No, I am not comparing humans to something haram like pigs of course. I am just speculating:)
Although it does make me wonder why when I did not clean my room, my mom told me to not live like a pig when I was a little kid:) Or certain other derogatory terms we hear in America like "she eats like a fat pig" or "I'm sweating like a pig" Must be where it all came from....cuz I don't know anyone who really likes being called a pig:)
I have thought about pork for quite some time though. I myself do not believe that any animal is really clean. I grew up on a farm and you talk about the way pigs live? Cows (not most of the time) will sleep in their own feces. (putting it midly of course:) I remember helping to get them in to help my dad milk the cows and seeing the ones that are laying down in teir own feces (as opposed to the fresh straw laid out...although they will take a dump in there as well and that is why the farmer has to always change it) and thinking how disgusting they lived. So technically no animal is really clean. I have off and on become a vegetarian for this reason. I'm thinking about going all the way vegetarian again after reading this thread:)
Humans smell like pigs when cooked? Pig organs can be transplanted into humans but others cannot? That's odd. Makes me wonder if biologically pigs and humans may be similiar in certain things and if they come into contact with each other they reject each other biologically, thus causing harm to humans. (No, I am not comparing humans to something haram like pigs of course. I am just speculating:)
Although it does make me wonder why when I did not clean my room, my mom told me to not live like a pig when I was a little kid:) Or certain other derogatory terms we hear in America like "she eats like a fat pig" or "I'm sweating like a pig" Must be where it all came from....cuz I don't know anyone who really likes being called a pig:)
#6
Posted 19 April 2004 - 04:00 AM
Assalam alaikum,
In the explanations of my quran it mentions that pigs have lice/worm like parasites in its flesh that are harmful to humans, as well as the they live in filth and eat garbage thing.
I was in a sisters group and a while back an article was posted about a doctor, danish i think, who advised a patient with unexplained stomach problems to stop eating all pork. She did and her health improved a lot. Non muslim doctor too.
Fiamanallah, Rose
In the explanations of my quran it mentions that pigs have lice/worm like parasites in its flesh that are harmful to humans, as well as the they live in filth and eat garbage thing.
I was in a sisters group and a while back an article was posted about a doctor, danish i think, who advised a patient with unexplained stomach problems to stop eating all pork. She did and her health improved a lot. Non muslim doctor too.
Fiamanallah, Rose
#7
Posted 20 April 2004 - 01:55 AM
assalamualaikum sisters,
there is another thread on this discussion earlier:
good scientific explanation (pork)
http://sisters.islamway.com/phpBB2/viewtop...966b9f75fade77e
there is another thread on this discussion earlier:
good scientific explanation (pork)
http://sisters.islamway.com/phpBB2/viewtop...966b9f75fade77e
#8
Posted 24 July 2004 - 10:12 PM
Assalam Alaikum Sisters,
Masha Allah this has been a very informative topic so far. Seen as we are on the topic of pigs, i have a question. Is it acceptable for a muslim to read the story of 'The three little pigs'?, especially to muslim children. I ask this question because many colleagues at school have asked me this question and to be honest, ive never been sure what to say. I have noticed that some muslim children won't even say the word pig.
Allah Hafiz.
Lilac.
Masha Allah this has been a very informative topic so far. Seen as we are on the topic of pigs, i have a question. Is it acceptable for a muslim to read the story of 'The three little pigs'?, especially to muslim children. I ask this question because many colleagues at school have asked me this question and to be honest, ive never been sure what to say. I have noticed that some muslim children won't even say the word pig.
Allah Hafiz.
Lilac.
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