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Posted 06 February 2006 - 08:04 AM

Assalamu alaikum...

What is it and why is it haram?

is it haram? i've read that it is...and i have read that it is not...but can't even find anything as to what it even is...

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 06:17 PM

As-Salaamu alaikum dear sisters.

Dear sister Amani whey is a milk product.

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Whey or milk plasma is the liquid remaining after milk has been curdled and strained; it is a by-product of the manufacture of cheese or casein and has several commercial uses. Whey is used to produce ricotta and gjetost cheeses and is used to make many other products for human consumption and as an animal feed.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whey

I personally have never heard that whey is haram. What is the evidence given, if any, by those who say that it is haram?
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 08:36 PM

Assalamu alaikum...

well i was given a fatwa last night...when i asked on another board..of course it just confused me more.

The watery part of milk that separates from the curd when milk sours and becomes coagulated, or when cheese is made
Its a kind of cheese sis white and curdy similar to cottage cheese Rennet is used to curd the milk although natural fresh cottage cheese is just churned on farms till it curds modern production adds rennet.

rennet is the problem

Question :


Is the cheese halaal if it is made from enzymes taken from haraam meat (not slaughtered according to shariah) as the enzymes still live beyond the animal's life time i.e the enzyme does not die when the animal is killed.

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

Before answering this question, it is important to know what rennet is.

Al-Fayroozabaadi said in al-Qaamoos al-Muheet (p. 313), under the definition of na fa ha: al-infahah and al-minfahah and al-binfahah all refer to something yellow that is extracted from the stomachs of suckling goat kids.

Infahah (rennet) was also defined in al-Mawsoo'ah al-Fiqhiyyah as follows: "It is a yellowish-white substance ([in a skin vessel] - this phrase appears not to fit here) that is extracted from the stomachs of suckling kids or lambs. When a little of this substance is added to milk, it curdles and becomes cheese. In some Arabic-speaking regions, people call this rennet mujabbinah (cheese-maker), and the stomach (from which the rennet is taken) is called kursh if the animal grazes on grass.

The Islamic ruling concerning rennet is that if it is taken from an animal that has been slaughtered according to sharee'ah, then it is pure (taahir) and can be eaten. This is according to the Hanafis, Maalikis, Shaafa'is and Hanbalis.

As regards eating rennet taken from an animal that dies naturally, or that was not slaughtered in accordance with sharee'ah, according to the apparent meaning of the opinions reported from the majority of scholars among the Maalikis, Shaafa'is and Hanbalis have said, it is impure (naajis) and should not be eaten. They base this ruling on the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): "Forbidden to you for food) are: al-maytatah (dead animals - cattle-beast not slaughtered)…" [al-Maa;idah 5:3] - the rennet becomes impure by virtue of the animal's death, and it is not possible to remove that impurity from it. [next phrase is unclear]

Imaam al-Nawawi said in al-Majmoo' (9/68): "The ummah is agreed that it is permissible to eat cheese so long as it is not mixed with anything impure, such as adding rennet from a source that is not halaal because it was not slaughtered according to sharee'ah. This ijmaa' (scholarly consensus) is the evidence for its permissibility."

The second view, which is that of Abu Haneefah and is one of two opinions narrated from Imaam Ahmad, is that rennet from dead animals or animals that were not slaughtered according to sharee'ah is still taahir (pure). This is the opinion which Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah thought most correct in al-Fataawaa (21/102), where he said: "It is more likely that their (the Zoroastrians') cheese is halaal, and that the rennet and milk of dead animals is taahir (pure)." Elsewhere in al-Fataawaa (35/154) he said: "With regard to the cheese made with their (some of the kaafir Baatini groups') rennet, there are two well-known scholarly opinions, as is the case with the rennet from animals slaughtered by the Zoroastrians and Christians, and rennet from dead animals, of whom it is said that they do not slaughter their animals properly. The schools of Abu Haneefah and Ahmad, according to the other of his two opinions, say that this cheese is halaal, because the rennet taken from dead animals is taahir (pure), according to this view, and because the (enzymes in) rennet do not die when the animal dies (so, the concept "impure containers don't cause the contents of the container to become impure by contact" ) applies. The schools of Maalik, al-Shaafa'i and Ahmad, according to the other of his two opinions, state that this cheese is naajis (impure), because the rennet is impure according to this view, as they see the milk and rennet of dead animals as impure. In cases where meat is classified as impure because it is not slaughtered properly, the meat is regarded as being the same as dead meat. Both opinions are based on reports narrated from the Sahaabah. The first group states that the Sahaabah used to eat the cheese of the Zoroastrians, while the second group state that the Sahaabah used to eat what they thought was the cheese of the Christians. With regard to this issue, the follower (ordinary Muslim) must follow an 'aalim who advises him to follow either of these two opinions.



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Posted 06 February 2006 - 08:42 PM

Assalam'alaikum,

Ruling Regarding Animal Rennet in Cheese| Sheikh Salman al-Oadah|
  

There is no problem using the rennet extracted from animals that were slaughtered according to Islamic Law. However, there is a lot of cheese in our markets coming from non-Muslim countries containing bovine rennet. The question arises as to whether or not we as Muslims can eat this cheese.

Cheese made with rennet extracted from animals that were illegally slaughtered was deemed permissible by Imam Ahmad, as stipulated in al-Mughnī (1/3). Muslims used to eat the cheese brought from the Magians and other unbelievers.

The people of knowledge have two sayings on this matter:

The opinion of the majority is that such rennet is impure, [refer to: al-Qawānīn al-Fiqhiyyah page 121, al-Majmū`2/588, Nihāyat al-Muhtāj1/244, Sharh Muntahā al-Iradāt 1/31, al-Insāf 92/1, al-Iqnā` 1/1]. They believed the rennet is impure because it comes from an impure source, the stomach of the illegally slaughtered animal. They say it is a liquid material that touched an impure substance and thus becomes impure. Imam al-Nawawī said: "It is part of the animal so it is impure, like all the other parts of the animal."

The other saying is that it is pure. This is the opinion of some of the Companions and successors, `Umar, Salmān al-Fārisī, Talhā, al-Husayn b. `Ali and others. It is also the opinion of the Hanafī school of thought, one narration from Ahmad, and the opinion of Ibn Taymiyyah, [refer to: Badā'` al-Sanā'`1/63, al-Bahr al-Ra'q 1/112, Tabyīn al-Haqa'q 1/26, Ihkām al-Qur'an by al-Jassās 1/168, al-Mabsūt 24/27-28, Majmū` al-Fatāwa 21/102].

In his book al-Mughnī, Ibn Qudāmah writes: "Someone asked Imam Ahmad about cheese. The Imam replied: 'You can eat it from any source.' But, when asked about the cheese made by the Magians, he said: 'I do not know, but there is an authentic hadīth through al-A`mash that `Amr b. Sharhabīl said that `Umar was asked about cheese and the rennet of illegally slaughtered animal used therein. `Umar instructed him to mention Allah's name upon it and eat it."

They offer the following for evidence:

1. The hadīth related by Ibn Abī Shaybah (5/130) and `Abd al-Razzāq (4/538) through al-A`mash, as mentioned above. The line of transmission of this hadīth is absolutely sound. Imam Ahmad said: "It is the most correct hadīth on the subject."

2. The narration of Ibn Abī Shaybah (5/131) that Talhah used to put the knife over the cheese, mention Allah's name, then cut it and eat it. This also has a sound line of transmission.

3. The narration of Ibn Abī Shaybah through Waqī` that al-Hasan B. `Ali was asked about the cheese. He said: "It is alright, just put the knife to it, mention Allah's name, and eat it." All its narrators are reliable save Jahsh b. Ziyād.

4. The narration of al-Tirmidhī (1726) and Ibn Mājah (3367): "We were informed by Ismā`īl b. Mūsa al-Fazarī through Salmān that the Prophet (peace be upon him) was asked about ghee, cheese and fur. He replied: "The lawful things are the ones mentioned in Allah's book as lawful and the unlawful things are the ones which are mentioned in Allah's book as unlawful, and whatever is not mentioned there, then it is exempted". It is a weak hadīth. Ibn Abī Shaybah mentioned in his book al-Musannaf (8/98) that he was informed by Waqī' through Suwayyid, the servant of Salmān, that he said: "When we won the battle of Madā'in, Salmān said: 'We had found a basket in which we found four pieces of fine bread, cheese and a knife. Then Salmān took the knife and cut the cheese then he said: "Pronounce Allah's name and eat".' " The line of transmission is weak.

5. They said the milk and the rennet will not become impure after death and whatever is extracted from the living animal becomes as if dead. Therefore, since milk is lawful in such cases, then rennet is lawful.

Ibn Taymiyah said:

Regarding the milk and the rennet of unlawfully slaughtered animals, there are two saying from the scholars; one that it is pure, held by Abū Hanīfah and others, including one saying of Imam Ahmad. The other saying is that it is impure which is the saying of Malik, al-Shafi`ī and another opinion of Imam Ahmad.

This disagreement took place regarding the cheese brought from the Magians as their slaughtered animals are totally unlawful by consensus. Still, there are two sayings about their cheese. I believe their cheese is lawful, since the milk of the illegally slaughtered animals is lawful and because the Companions ate from their cheese after the battle of Iraq. This has been authentically narrated to us from that time.

There are some weak narrations that some people from Hijāz disliked it, but they are not reliable. The people of Iraq are more trustworthy than others in this case because they lived there and knew the Magians firsthand. Salmān al-Farisī was the Caliph `Umar's governer in that area and he considered the cheese of the Magians to be lawful.

As for the argument that a liquid will become impure when it touches an impure place, we reply that it is known from Sunnah that the liquid is pure. We also say that even if it touches an impure place that will not matter. Allah says: "From what is within their bodies between excretions and blood we produce for you a drink, milk, pure and agreeable to those who drink it." This is why it is permissible to carry a child while praying despite of what is inside his body. And Allah knows best.

On the strength of the above arguments, I hold the opinion that eating cheese is lawful even if the rennet is extracted from unlawfully slaughtered animals.

And Allah knows best.

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 10:00 PM

Assalamu alaikum...

ok so when we buy say...hot chocolate mix and in the ingredients it list whey...it is halal?

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 03:20 AM

assalam alaikoum,

i think i can help.

all you do (or I) is call the consumer service and ask them if the enzyme (rennet) is from a vegetable source or animal source. usually for me it doesnt take a long time but that depends if they hear it often. (i guess i am not the only one :wink: )

sometimes it is written as "whey powder".

from my own experience, it is usually vegetable and rarely animal. but you never know until you call.

you might want to check this website first to see if they have it listed, and if not, then you might want to call:

www.eat-halal.com

okay that is what i do. there might be a better way.
oh and if the phone number isnt listed, you can always search in the internet and get the phone number there or send an e-mail.

wassalam

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 05:37 AM

Assalamu alaikum ...

jazakAllahukhair




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