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Posted 29 June 2010 - 01:41 AM

Asalaamu Alaykum,

At Muhammad's last dr checkup, they did the hemaglobin (or hematocrit?) check and it was only 8 so they told us he was anemic. They prescribed iron drops to take and I gave it to him a couple days (and also tried to add in some more iron rich foods for him) but I just read the box and saw it contains alcohol. Not quite sure what to do at the moment as I don't actually know if all of the iron drops have alcohol for babies or not? I am not giving it to him tonight until I can speak with the dr and see if there is an alternative. I know if there is no alternative I can give him this right? But I don't feel good about it as it is because I haven't explored all the options. Maybe I should just try giving him iron rich foods? Has anyone had their child be anemic before?

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 04:55 AM

Salams

Also iron drops/pills can make some people very sick to their stomaches.............

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 03:25 PM

wa alaikoum assalam,

poor baby sad.gif May Allah help you out. There are many kinds of alcohols...was it ethanol alcohol?

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 11:22 AM

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 11:50 AM

Walay kuma salaam warahama tulahewabaraktu ukhtie!
May allah cure your baby and give you tawakil and patients.



It is not permissible to drink alcohol for medicinal purposes
Some doctors advise their patients to drink wine and say that it is a kind of medicine. What is the ruling on drinking wine for that purpose?.

Praise be to Allaah.

Medical treatment is something that is prescribed in sharee’ah, but it must be by using things that have been prescribed by Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, and by His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), because this is what may contain the cure. As for that which Allaah has forbidden, there is no healing in it. One of the things which indicate that it is forbidden to treat disease with haraam things in general and with alcohol in particular, is the mu’allaq report narrated by al-Bukhaari in his Saheeh from Ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him), which says, “Allaah did not put your healing in that which He has forbidden to you.” Al-Tabaraani said that it was mawsool and gave an isnaad the men of which are the men of al-saheeh. It was also narrated by Ahmad and by Ibn Hibbaan in his Saheeh, and by al-Bazaar, Abu Ya’la and al-Tabaraani; the men of Abu Ya’laa are thiqaat. It was narrated from Umm Salamah (may Allaah be pleased with her).

Abu Dawood narrated in his Sunan that Abu’l-Darda’ (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah has sent down the disease and the cure, and He has made for every disease a cure. So treat sickness, but do not treat it with anything haraam.”  

In Saheeh Muslim it is narrated from Taariq ibn Suwayd al-Ju’fi that he asked the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about alcohol and he forbade him or told him not to make it. He said: “But I make it as a remedy.” He said: “It is not a remedy, it is a disease.”

It is worth pointing out that when Allaah enjoins something, it is either because it is purely good or its goodness outweighs its evil. And when He forbids something it is either because it is purely bad or because its evil outweighs its goodness. Allaah is All Wise and All Knowing. If the sick person imagines that his sickness can only be cured by drinking alcohol, this is an illusion. There are many kinds of medicine and remedies, both spiritual and natural. Moreover the medicine does not heal the disease, rather healing comes from Allaah when the medicine is used. So use of the means prescribed in sharee’ah may be accompanied by total reliance upon them or it may be accompanied by regarding them as no more than a means, whilst relying upon Allaah and believing that they may or may not be of benefit. If they prove to be of benefit, this is what was wanted, but relying on them completely is shirk. End quote.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 22/87.









Ruling on medicines that are mixed with alcohol
What is the ruling on medicines that contain a percentage of alcohol?.

Praise be to Allaah. It is not permissible to mix medicines with alcohol, because alcohol must be thrown away. It was narrated that Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri said: We had some wine belonging to an orphan, and when al-Maa’idah was revealed (i.e., the prohibition of khamr or alcohol), I asked the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about it and I said, “It belongs to the orphan.” He said: “Pour it away.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1263; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.   Secondly:   If the medicine is mixed with alcohol, and the percentage of alcohol is so great that this medicine is intoxicating, then it is khamr and it is haraam to take it.   If the percentage of alcohol is very low and it does not intoxicate, then it is permissible to take it.   It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (22/110):   It is not permissible to mix medicines with intoxicants, but if it is mixed with alcohol, if drinking a lot of it will cause intoxication, it is haraam to handle it and drink it, whether a small amount or a large amount. If drinking a lot of it will not cause intoxication, then it is permissible to handle it and drink it. End quote.   Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said:   With regard to some medicines that contain alcohol, if the effect of the alcohol in the medicine can be seen in the form of intoxication, then it is haraam, but if no effect is seen, and the alcohol is only added to it as a preservative, then there is nothing wrong with it, because the alcoholic content does not have any effect. End quote.  

Liqaa’aat il-Baab il-Maftoohah, 3/231.
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Posted 01 July 2010 - 12:28 PM

Salams

Alcohol is used as a preservitive in so many things.  It is not used as an intoxicant.   Alcohol is found in different types of food and medicine that you purchase everyday.

With out preservitives most medicines and other things would go bad with in days of being opened.

The fatwas posted are for using wine..........which our sister is not being told to use for her little one, she is to use iron drops......which uses alcohol for a preservitive NOT an intoxicant.  If the medicine would cause one to get "drunk" then a Dr could not prescribe it to someone under the age of 21.

As sis lowri_mai said that alternatives do not work (for some they do not) and will not have the same effect.  She as well have I used medicines that have alcolhol in it (which i did not even care about it, beucase my baby needed to get better). With thousands of different variables in "alchol" used in the medical and food world you are going to find it in almost everything that sits on a shelf in the store (food, over the conter meds ect) and Rx from the Dr.

Nothing is all natural anymore.



QUOTE(um_elbaraa @ Jul 1 2010, 06:50 AM) View Post

Walay kuma salaam warahama tulahewabaraktu ukhtie!
May allah cure your baby and give you tawakil and patients.



It is not permissible to drink alcohol for medicinal purposes
Some doctors advise their patients to drink wine and say that it is a kind of medicine. What is the ruling on drinking wine for that purpose?.

Praise be to Allaah.

Medical treatment is something that is prescribed in sharee’ah, but it must be by using things that have been prescribed by Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, and by His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), because this is what may contain the cure. As for that which Allaah has forbidden, there is no healing in it. One of the things which indicate that it is forbidden to treat disease with haraam things in general and with alcohol in particular, is the mu’allaq report narrated by al-Bukhaari in his Saheeh from Ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him), which says, “Allaah did not put your healing in that which He has forbidden to you.” Al-Tabaraani said that it was mawsool and gave an isnaad the men of which are the men of al-saheeh. It was also narrated by Ahmad and by Ibn Hibbaan in his Saheeh, and by al-Bazaar, Abu Ya’la and al-Tabaraani; the men of Abu Ya’laa are thiqaat. It was narrated from Umm Salamah (may Allaah be pleased with her).

Abu Dawood narrated in his Sunan that Abu’l-Darda’ (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah has sent down the disease and the cure, and He has made for every disease a cure. So treat sickness, but do not treat it with anything haraam.”  

In Saheeh Muslim it is narrated from Taariq ibn Suwayd al-Ju’fi that he asked the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about alcohol and he forbade him or told him not to make it. He said: “But I make it as a remedy.” He said: “It is not a remedy, it is a disease.”

It is worth pointing out that when Allaah enjoins something, it is either because it is purely good or its goodness outweighs its evil. And when He forbids something it is either because it is purely bad or because its evil outweighs its goodness. Allaah is All Wise and All Knowing. If the sick person imagines that his sickness can only be cured by drinking alcohol, this is an illusion. There are many kinds of medicine and remedies, both spiritual and natural. Moreover the medicine does not heal the disease, rather healing comes from Allaah when the medicine is used. So use of the means prescribed in sharee’ah may be accompanied by total reliance upon them or it may be accompanied by regarding them as no more than a means, whilst relying upon Allaah and believing that they may or may not be of benefit. If they prove to be of benefit, this is what was wanted, but relying on them completely is shirk. End quote.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 22/87.









Ruling on medicines that are mixed with alcohol
What is the ruling on medicines that contain a percentage of alcohol?.

Praise be to Allaah. It is not permissible to mix medicines with alcohol, because alcohol must be thrown away. It was narrated that Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri said: We had some wine belonging to an orphan, and when al-Maa’idah was revealed (i.e., the prohibition of khamr or alcohol), I asked the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about it and I said, “It belongs to the orphan.” He said: “Pour it away.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1263; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.   Secondly:   If the medicine is mixed with alcohol, and the percentage of alcohol is so great that this medicine is intoxicating, then it is khamr and it is haraam to take it.   If the percentage of alcohol is very low and it does not intoxicate, then it is permissible to take it.   It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (22/110):   It is not permissible to mix medicines with intoxicants, but if it is mixed with alcohol, if drinking a lot of it will cause intoxication, it is haraam to handle it and drink it, whether a small amount or a large amount. If drinking a lot of it will not cause intoxication, then it is permissible to handle it and drink it. End quote.   Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said:   With regard to some medicines that contain alcohol, if the effect of the alcohol in the medicine can be seen in the form of intoxication, then it is haraam, but if no effect is seen, and the alcohol is only added to it as a preservative, then there is nothing wrong with it, because the alcoholic content does not have any effect. End quote.  

Liqaa’aat il-Baab il-Maftoohah, 3/231.
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Posted 01 July 2010 - 01:52 PM

Asalaamu Alaykum,

Barakallahu feeki sisters. I don't have a problem using the medicine with alcohol IF and only if it is the only option. If there is a way around it then I don't feel comfortable with it. Of course, if it is necessary then I will use it as that is what we are instructed to do.

But to clarify, how do you know how much alcohol is past the 'too much' amount like in the fatwa um elbaraa mentioned. Like I am not sure, if you were to drink a whole bottle of it (aside from getting iron poisoning lol) you would get drunk or not I believe it isays '.2 percent v/v alcohol'.

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 02:08 PM

QUOTE(musaafirah @ Jul 1 2010, 02:52 PM) View Post

Asalaamu Alaykum,

Barakallahu feeki sisters. I don't have a problem using the medicine with alcohol IF and only if it is the only option. If there is a way around it then I don't feel comfortable with it. Of course, if it is necessary then I will use it as that is what we are instructed to do.

But to clarify, how do you know how much alcohol is past the 'too much' amount like in the fatwa um elbaraa mentioned. Like I am not sure, if you were to drink a whole bottle of it (aside from getting iron poisoning lol) you would get drunk or not I believe it isays '.2 percent v/v alcohol'.



Salam

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/qatar/qarada...-drinks-1.97623  maybe this link will help.  Sheikh Qardawi issued a fatwa about medicines containing <.5% alcohol.

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Posted 08 August 2010 - 02:50 AM

salaams

how do u know if ur baby is anemic. do u see signs or do u just ask the doc to check for it?

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 04:14 PM

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 09:52 PM

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